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Talk:Zombie Apocalypse

2008-04-29T11:03:14Z

Xnopasaranx: /* Game Testers */

= First round, user ideas =

See the [http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=41642&st=60&gopid=602397&#entry602397 forums] for more info about this part/page.

== SharQueDo ==
'''Idea:''' Total Conversion for Quake I or Quake II, FPS, players are marines/humans, zombies are NPCs (and loads of 'em). Either one big server (world) or several regular servers with 16-32 people. Level-up system, you get XP per zombie kill, which you can improve yourself with a stat-based system (max health, max ammo, and special passive skills that increase your ammo generation very slowly for example).<br />
'''Motivation:''' Although I used to program (C/C++), I decided I wanted to do something else for this project. Creating msuic and designing levels (both 2d and 3d).

'''Role in Project:''' Tester, Musician, Level Designer/Modeller<br />
'''Experience with said role:''' I've made quite a few music tracks in the past, mostly dance/trance, but I'm currently busy with more ambient stuff. Tools of the trade: FL Studio. For 3d level modeling, I've made quite a few levels for Doom, Half-Life (CS), UT99, UT2003 and UT2004. Unfortunatly, I lost most of them, and the rest are somewhere on a backup CD.

== Hiroe ==
After much deliberating, I decided I'm for PlopperZ's idea, I think if we can't make it an mmo it shouldn't have full rpg features, maybe put a level cap at level 6 or have you gain ability through having awesome weapons that cost alot, as this is unbalancing. in all honesty, I think zombie master made a great game and we should follow there example.

== PlopperZ ==
FPS using the Quake engine or similar. Be basically an ongoing Team Deathmatch on a giant map with Zombies(Bots) vs. Humans(Players).Zombies could "migrate" out of the fog at the edges of the level. Maybe have a bit of a story and the player can decide what to do, such as join a gang of other players, be a merchant and sell valuble goods to other players and/or do many other things. There would be lots of buildings and things to hide behind, as well as vehicles. Possibly have progressive stats if the engine allowed for it.

== javaJake ==
'''Ideas:''' I like PlopperZ's ideas, except I lean more towards strategy: I think there should be more to the game than just shooting zombies and making money. Zombie shooting would be the staple "meal" of the game, but there should be lots of other activities to exceed in as well.

I also suggest resources needed (weapons, ammo, food/medical supplies, vehicles, etc.) be the specialty or specialties of two or more distinct human races. They'd have to maintain secure routes or something like that to guard against zombies, so that people and supplies can travel across the map.

People could also create their own informal teams and try to create monopolies on supplies or other such malicious tasks. I'm not sure how this would work, and if the world would remain balanced like this, but it's an idea.

'''Roles in Project:''' Primarily programming, but I would like to be a game designer as well. I also enjoy writing documentation.

'''Why me:''' Programming has been my primary activity for years. Despite this, I have still yet to learn C/C++. However, I'm eager to learn, and I see this as my opportunity to do just that. With a little time and patience, I should be very helpful. I also love to work in teams, and keep everything very organized for my neighbor. Included in that is a hard-earned habit of documenting my code as I go. I enjoy writing documentation in general.

'''Experience:''' Well, I've got 3+ years of combined experience in Java, PHP, MySQL, and XHTML+CSS. I need a project so I can learn C/C++, and this would be it for me! I have a good amount of experience with SVN, have dabbled in CVS when SourceForge was using it, and have a continually-expanding knowledge of Bazaar.

''I think if we used your ideas and added them onto my own this would work pretty good! PM me'' ~PlopperZ

== Dutch_cap ==
'''Ideas:''' I'd like to see a top-down RPG shooter, either isometric or 3D. I want to use the left stick for movement and the right stick for aiming/shooting. Clicking the left stick should bring up a radial menu for various actions. It should have classes. While the warrior classes should be very straightforward to play, the other classes should require a little more thought to survive. I want to have lots of RPG elements, like special skills that are best mastered by a particular class. I want big worlds where I can do lots of different things. Vehicles, especially cars and motorcycles, would be really cool.

'''Experience''': I think my brother taught me the basics of C loops when I was 11 or 12. In highschool I spent more time programming on my TI83 graphical calculator than doing math problems. My most advanced creation for the TI83 was probably minesweeper. I only became a reasonably good programmer in University, though.

I've had formal education concerning Prolog, Haskell and Java. I also learned about computational complexity and I know some basic learning and searching algorithms. I have work experience coding websites in PHP and MySQL. On my own I've picked up a little Python, Lisp, C and C++. However, I definetely need to brush up on my C(++) skills before I undertake any major projects.

= Desired roles =
While all contributions will be welcomed, please only fill in your name if you're willing and able to spend at least a couple of hours on "Zombie Apocalypse" every week. Note that signing up here does not guarantee involvement in that particular role or in any way. If you think we're missing a category, feel free to add your own.

== Game Designers ==
*PlopperZ
* Dutch_Cap
* Hiroe
* javaJake

== Programmers ==
* Dutch_Cap
* javaJake
* God

== 2D Artists ==
* PlopperZ
* xnopasaranx

== 3D Artists ==
Come on, guys. Somebody's gotta do it!

== Level Modelers/Designers ==
* PlopperZ
* SharQueDo
* Hiroe

== Sound Designers ==
* PlopperZ (If no one else is willing)

== Musicians ==
* SharQueDo
* PlopperZ's Friend

== Game Testers ==
* SharQueDo
* Hiroe
* PlopperZ
* xnopasaranx

== Marketing and Management ==
* Hiroe
* PlopperZ

== Documentation ==
* PlopperZ
* javaJake

=The game choices=

'''the first thing we want to decide is what kind of control scheme to use:'''

''Top Down Shooter''- this is in the style of the first gta game. we could probably adapt the [http://emptyclip.sourceforge.net/ empty clip] or [http://fifengine.de/ FIFE] engine for this.

''First person Shooter''- any quake game will do for this.

'''The next thing should be how do we control zombies?'''

''npc control''

''player controlled using an rts like interface''

''player controlled''

'''multyplayer is next'''

''mmo''

this is probably the hardest to code. I do not suggest it ~Hiroe

(If we did it as an on going server it wouldn't be so bad) -PZ
''server and client''

'''RPG elements'''

''none''

''full rpg, with leveling and stats''

''passive progression''-your stats and skills progress over time by using them ie: you use a pistol to kill 100 zombies and you get better with a pistol.

''Balanced attributes''-you have a number of points you can assign to stats and skills. you do not get more points.

= Comparison of Existing Engines =
== Quake 2 ==
=== Pros ===
* Mature engine created by one of the world's greatest game programmers.
* Multiplayer supported out of the box. possibility of using optimal grid to link multiple servers together.
* Nice graphics and special effects.
* Already being ported???
* Makes use of the Pandora's 3D hardware.
=== Cons ===
* 3D editing is hard

== Quake 3==
=== Pros ===
* Mature engine created by one of the world's greatest game programmers.
* Multilpayer supported out of the box. Supposed to be better then quake 2???
* Nice graphics and special effects. Better then quake 2.
* Already being ported???
* Makes use of the Pandora's 3D hardware.
* Little or no coding required.

=== Cons ===
* 3D editing is hard
* Level design might be a little complicated
* Might have lower FPS due to more advanced graphics

== FIFE ==
=== Pros ===
* Creating 2D graphics is easier and requires a less complicated editor. This makes the barrier for anybody to add their own graphics much lower.
* Because the world is made up of tiles, level editing is very easy.
* 3D graphics could be used by prerendering them. Prerendered 3D models can have much more detail.
* 2D Should allow for larger worlds.
* Dynamically loading bits of the level and other advanced features should be much easier in an isometric engine.
* Flexible
* Scriptable
* Because it supports Python scripting, some (maybe all) things could be rapidly prototyped in python before implementing them in C++.
=== Cons ===
* NO NETWORKING
* No OpenGL rendering yet, so no help from the 3D hardware in the Pandora.
* No dynamic lighting, shadows or other 3D features.

Talk:Zombie Apocalypse

2008-04-29T11:02:29Z

Xnopasaranx: /* 2D Artists */

= First round, user ideas =

See the [http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=41642&st=60&gopid=602397&#entry602397 forums] for more info about this part/page.

== SharQueDo ==
'''Idea:''' Total Conversion for Quake I or Quake II, FPS, players are marines/humans, zombies are NPCs (and loads of 'em). Either one big server (world) or several regular servers with 16-32 people. Level-up system, you get XP per zombie kill, which you can improve yourself with a stat-based system (max health, max ammo, and special passive skills that increase your ammo generation very slowly for example).<br />
'''Motivation:''' Although I used to program (C/C++), I decided I wanted to do something else for this project. Creating msuic and designing levels (both 2d and 3d).

'''Role in Project:''' Tester, Musician, Level Designer/Modeller<br />
'''Experience with said role:''' I've made quite a few music tracks in the past, mostly dance/trance, but I'm currently busy with more ambient stuff. Tools of the trade: FL Studio. For 3d level modeling, I've made quite a few levels for Doom, Half-Life (CS), UT99, UT2003 and UT2004. Unfortunatly, I lost most of them, and the rest are somewhere on a backup CD.

== Hiroe ==
After much deliberating, I decided I'm for PlopperZ's idea, I think if we can't make it an mmo it shouldn't have full rpg features, maybe put a level cap at level 6 or have you gain ability through having awesome weapons that cost alot, as this is unbalancing. in all honesty, I think zombie master made a great game and we should follow there example.

== PlopperZ ==
FPS using the Quake engine or similar. Be basically an ongoing Team Deathmatch on a giant map with Zombies(Bots) vs. Humans(Players).Zombies could "migrate" out of the fog at the edges of the level. Maybe have a bit of a story and the player can decide what to do, such as join a gang of other players, be a merchant and sell valuble goods to other players and/or do many other things. There would be lots of buildings and things to hide behind, as well as vehicles. Possibly have progressive stats if the engine allowed for it.

== javaJake ==
'''Ideas:''' I like PlopperZ's ideas, except I lean more towards strategy: I think there should be more to the game than just shooting zombies and making money. Zombie shooting would be the staple "meal" of the game, but there should be lots of other activities to exceed in as well.

I also suggest resources needed (weapons, ammo, food/medical supplies, vehicles, etc.) be the specialty or specialties of two or more distinct human races. They'd have to maintain secure routes or something like that to guard against zombies, so that people and supplies can travel across the map.

People could also create their own informal teams and try to create monopolies on supplies or other such malicious tasks. I'm not sure how this would work, and if the world would remain balanced like this, but it's an idea.

'''Roles in Project:''' Primarily programming, but I would like to be a game designer as well. I also enjoy writing documentation.

'''Why me:''' Programming has been my primary activity for years. Despite this, I have still yet to learn C/C++. However, I'm eager to learn, and I see this as my opportunity to do just that. With a little time and patience, I should be very helpful. I also love to work in teams, and keep everything very organized for my neighbor. Included in that is a hard-earned habit of documenting my code as I go. I enjoy writing documentation in general.

'''Experience:''' Well, I've got 3+ years of combined experience in Java, PHP, MySQL, and XHTML+CSS. I need a project so I can learn C/C++, and this would be it for me! I have a good amount of experience with SVN, have dabbled in CVS when SourceForge was using it, and have a continually-expanding knowledge of Bazaar.

''I think if we used your ideas and added them onto my own this would work pretty good! PM me'' ~PlopperZ

== Dutch_cap ==
'''Ideas:''' I'd like to see a top-down RPG shooter, either isometric or 3D. I want to use the left stick for movement and the right stick for aiming/shooting. Clicking the left stick should bring up a radial menu for various actions. It should have classes. While the warrior classes should be very straightforward to play, the other classes should require a little more thought to survive. I want to have lots of RPG elements, like special skills that are best mastered by a particular class. I want big worlds where I can do lots of different things. Vehicles, especially cars and motorcycles, would be really cool.

'''Experience''': I think my brother taught me the basics of C loops when I was 11 or 12. In highschool I spent more time programming on my TI83 graphical calculator than doing math problems. My most advanced creation for the TI83 was probably minesweeper. I only became a reasonably good programmer in University, though.

I've had formal education concerning Prolog, Haskell and Java. I also learned about computational complexity and I know some basic learning and searching algorithms. I have work experience coding websites in PHP and MySQL. On my own I've picked up a little Python, Lisp, C and C++. However, I definetely need to brush up on my C(++) skills before I undertake any major projects.

= Desired roles =
While all contributions will be welcomed, please only fill in your name if you're willing and able to spend at least a couple of hours on "Zombie Apocalypse" every week. Note that signing up here does not guarantee involvement in that particular role or in any way. If you think we're missing a category, feel free to add your own.

== Game Designers ==
*PlopperZ
* Dutch_Cap
* Hiroe
* javaJake

== Programmers ==
* Dutch_Cap
* javaJake
* God

== 2D Artists ==
* PlopperZ
* xnopasaranx

== 3D Artists ==
Come on, guys. Somebody's gotta do it!

== Level Modelers/Designers ==
* PlopperZ
* SharQueDo
* Hiroe

== Sound Designers ==
* PlopperZ (If no one else is willing)

== Musicians ==
* SharQueDo
* PlopperZ's Friend

== Game Testers ==
* SharQueDo
* Hiroe
* PlopperZ

== Marketing and Management ==
* Hiroe
* PlopperZ

== Documentation ==
* PlopperZ
* javaJake

=The game choices=

'''the first thing we want to decide is what kind of control scheme to use:'''

''Top Down Shooter''- this is in the style of the first gta game. we could probably adapt the [http://emptyclip.sourceforge.net/ empty clip] or [http://fifengine.de/ FIFE] engine for this.

''First person Shooter''- any quake game will do for this.

'''The next thing should be how do we control zombies?'''

''npc control''

''player controlled using an rts like interface''

''player controlled''

'''multyplayer is next'''

''mmo''

this is probably the hardest to code. I do not suggest it ~Hiroe

(If we did it as an on going server it wouldn't be so bad) -PZ
''server and client''

'''RPG elements'''

''none''

''full rpg, with leveling and stats''

''passive progression''-your stats and skills progress over time by using them ie: you use a pistol to kill 100 zombies and you get better with a pistol.

''Balanced attributes''-you have a number of points you can assign to stats and skills. you do not get more points.

= Comparison of Existing Engines =
== Quake 2 ==
=== Pros ===
* Mature engine created by one of the world's greatest game programmers.
* Multiplayer supported out of the box. possibility of using optimal grid to link multiple servers together.
* Nice graphics and special effects.
* Already being ported???
* Makes use of the Pandora's 3D hardware.
=== Cons ===
* 3D editing is hard

== Quake 3==
=== Pros ===
* Mature engine created by one of the world's greatest game programmers.
* Multilpayer supported out of the box. Supposed to be better then quake 2???
* Nice graphics and special effects. Better then quake 2.
* Already being ported???
* Makes use of the Pandora's 3D hardware.
* Little or no coding required.

=== Cons ===
* 3D editing is hard
* Level design might be a little complicated
* Might have lower FPS due to more advanced graphics

== FIFE ==
=== Pros ===
* Creating 2D graphics is easier and requires a less complicated editor. This makes the barrier for anybody to add their own graphics much lower.
* Because the world is made up of tiles, level editing is very easy.
* 3D graphics could be used by prerendering them. Prerendered 3D models can have much more detail.
* 2D Should allow for larger worlds.
* Dynamically loading bits of the level and other advanced features should be much easier in an isometric engine.
* Flexible
* Scriptable
* Because it supports Python scripting, some (maybe all) things could be rapidly prototyped in python before implementing them in C++.
=== Cons ===
* NO NETWORKING
* No OpenGL rendering yet, so no help from the 3D hardware in the Pandora.
* No dynamic lighting, shadows or other 3D features.